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Humans and Kaio-ken?
Topic Started: Oct 14 2015, 06:25 PM (1,484 Views)
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Why didn't Goku bother teaching Krillin, Tenshinhan, or even Yamcha the Kaio-ken technique? I think it would've made them far more useful in the series and make the be able to match a Super Namek like Piccolo or even a Super Saiyan in their first mode like Goku or Vegeta. I just have to ask.... Why?
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Plot. Can't have anyone who's not a Saiyan remain relevant in battle and even then unless their names are Goku and Vegeta then they'll also fall into obscurity. Not to mention that unless Toriyama, slows down with the power increases and transformations, Kaioken would pretty much amount to a Band-Aid for the human's already dying battle relevancy as they still wouldn't catch up after a while.
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Piccolo at least would've made sense for the 3 year training period for the Androids. They basically spent every day together and Piccolo knows what the technique is so I don't see what would keep him from getting it. Then again this is the Android arc that depends on everyone being a moron (just think about the future timeline to see how f*cked it is) so that's why.
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I mean I know they won't catch up for a while but they would've at least stood somewhat of a chance against major villains in the story or at least hold their on and not have to depend on Goku or Vegeta to bail their a*** out. Shoot if I were a character in DBZ I would've got Goku to teach me Kaio-ken before he shipped off to Namek and I'd push it past the limit and try to make it all the way to Kaio-ken x100. At least if my base power is extremely high I would've stood a chance against a Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan. And then you can officially say human will lay a beat down a Saiyan. But yeah all things aside I think Toriyama should make human characters more relevant or at least slow down on power increases.
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It would kill them taking into account how it shredded his body before. It makes more sense to teach it to piccolo who has regenerative capabilities. The humans need some old Kai in their lives. 18 and buu would likely benefit too
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Oct 15 2015, 12:46 AM
It would kill them taking into account how it shredded his body before. It makes more sense to teach it to piccolo who has regenerative capabilities. The humans need some old Kai in their lives. 18 and buu would likely benefit too
IIRC it only did that because he couldn't handle anything over times 2 at the time. Don't see why additional training wouldn't allow them to reach higher levels of Kaioken like it did with Goku.
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King Kai stated only a real pro can master the Kaioken. I doubt any of them could utilize the kaioken 2 let alone *20

Maybe Piccolo or Tien but thats all

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Oct 15 2015, 04:00 PM
King Kai stated only a real pro can master the Kaioken. I doubt any of them could utilize the kaioken 2 let alone *20

Maybe Piccolo or Tien but thats all
All of them are pros though.
EDIT: Except Chiaoztu probably.
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Oct 15 2015, 04:43 PM
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Oct 15 2015, 04:00 PM
King Kai stated only a real pro can master the Kaioken. I doubt any of them could utilize the kaioken 2 let alone *20

Maybe Piccolo or Tien but thats all
All of them are pros though.
King kai was better yet he cant master the technique

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So Goku at a power level of just over 8000 can harness the Kaioken yet the humans who are arguably hundreds of times stronger with equal or superior Ki control can't? How does that make sense?

The Kaioken by itself wouldn't have been enough for the humans to compete in later arcs. They would also need to commit themselves to unique forms of training such as RoSaT and taking Goku up on his offer train with him, Piccolo, and Gohan. I could see Krillin, Tien, and Yamcha breaking into the tens of millions without KK. Chiaotzu? Eh... Maybe rivaling 1st Form Frieza. It's probably pushing it to try and argue that he could break a million for some.
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I honestly always believed that at least Krillin should have been able to master the Kaioken and, in order to at least stay somewhat relevant to the Saiyans and Piccolo, improved upon the technique to the point that it's at least close to the first level of SSJ in terms of power increase. Or, if it could be given to all the human characters, I would have actually had Tien and Yamcha take out 19 and 20 with it (since 16, 17 and 18 would be introduced as well) (being the characters to take over for Goku after the heart virus kicks in).

Slightly unrelated but I'd have also loved it if it was actually the humans who stayed on King Kai's planet (specifically Tien and Yamcha) who introduced the fusion dance technique to the series.

It would have been creative ways to keep them relevant.

Piccolo on the other hand managed to keep up damn fine with the Saiyans until they kept getting more and more transformations.
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Oct 15 2015, 04:00 PM
King Kai stated only a real pro can master the Kaioken. I doubt any of them could utilize the kaioken 2 let alone *20

Maybe Piccolo or Tien but thats all
Krilln formed and controlled a spirit bomb on his first try. I'd say he's got as much if not more of a chance to get it. The problem is always going to be the risk of a human going overboard in a pinch and going to the extreme of 10-20x and thus killing themselves because they can't regen like a namek or won't get stronger after healing like a saiyan
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I don't think it's about power. It's about skill and natural durability. Goku is a friggin' genius when it comes to fighting, and he's got a tough and sturdy Saiyan body. Mix that in with some standard protagonist power and you've got just the right combination of traits required to learn the Kaio-Ken, a technique so difficult that not even its creator ever mastered it.
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Oct 15 2015, 05:05 PM
So Goku at a power level of just over 8000 can harness the Kaioken yet the humans who are arguably hundreds of times stronger with equal or superior Ki control can't? How does that make sense?

The Kaioken by itself wouldn't have been enough for the humans to compete in later arcs. They would also need to commit themselves to unique forms of training such as RoSaT and taking Goku up on his offer train with him, Piccolo, and Gohan. I could see Krillin, Tien, and Yamcha breaking into the tens of millions without KK. Chiaotzu? Eh... Maybe rivaling 1st Form Frieza. It's probably pushing it to try and argue that he could break a million for some.
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Kaio-Ken ability doesn't seem to scale with battle power; Goku increased his power 30 times, but still couldn't use a greater Kaio-Ken than before. It's probably more closely related to physical fitness. My little theory about Goku's miraculous zenkai is that his physical fitness he gained from the 100g training had far exceeded the amount of ki he had, giving him a massive amount of latent power. The zenkai unlocked that power.
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